"So, you really do think that you have some sort of very weird yet important take on the world, even though you can`t express it, don`t you?!"
"Well yes, to the extent that something is important; which i often doubt (unfortunately). It isn`t that i hold myself up as particularly important, and whomever hears my usage of the world would define my usage of it wrongly anyway!"
"Ah, yes, the wonderful ambiguity of words, and people`s reflexive interpretations based on their own conceptual frameworks, didn`t take you long to lament that fact about human interactions. So now what? You give up on expressions again?"
"I could, but that wouldn`t be sporting of me, now would it? And we wouldn`t want to NOT be sporting. Good heavens no!
The point being. Ah, yes, importance. Writing about what is meant by importance is important"
"oh goodness no. ANOTHER meta-layer to play with? This is going to take ages isn`t it?"
"Probably, do you want me to condense 27 years of life into little nuggets of expression, or do you want me to get at something of importance?"
"Little nuggets of expression can at times be gruesomely important!"
"Why yes, on that we agree. And that puts us back on track. So what is important? We should probably define something then?"
"Let us."
"Ok. The basic system we have here, is to the best of my knowledge adding ever new capacities to itself, right?"
"I`ll play along. Okay. It can be said, by me, that the universe, as best as we can observe its journey through time, has been far less VISIBLY complex than we take it as now being."
"Yeah, not that our capacity for seeing has played tricks on us in the past or anything! But the point is. The universe did at one time not contain the observing entity known as the human being. So what i`m saying is YAY congrats universe, you`ve made something that wasn`t there before!"
"And the point being?"
"Well, are we talking about inherent, and manifestable complexity, or inherent expansive capacity?"
"I have no idea what you just said means..."
"OK, i`ll try again. Is the blueprint there beforehand, or does the blueprint get made as the universe progresses to time."
"time.... is an illusion!"
"who said that?"
"Best to pay whomever said that no heed!"
"Indeed, let`s, for now, until we can prove him right, which would be fun."
"Yeah, then we can travel back in time and have sex with Julie Christie!"
"YOU ARE DIGRESSING"
"Yeah, sorry about that, but, mmmmmmm Julie Christie....."
"Point."
"back to the blueprint, please!"
"Yeah. It`s pretty important. Which parts of the blueprint can have "aspects" added to itself over time, and which parts can`t?"
"Isn`t the entire universe the blueprint?"
"Well yes, but then we get to stare into the wonderful question of what the universe is a blueprint of."
"a blueprint of a system that can add "aspects" to itself over time based on something"
"Yeah, nice of it to just exist, isn`t it? Totally neat i`d say. But there is the nagging question which i really like to get at, albeit poorly. That is the question of WHAT this system is capable of "adding to itself/expanding itself to""
"You could`ve written "expanding itself into" but that would have been too funny. Since it would, in many ways mean that it expands itself into something that is there for it to expand itself into, like a house"
"Yup, those are the qualities that makes me occasionally hate language"
"But you were talking about importance..."
"Yes, and in that we should probably elaborate further on the difference between "objectively important to the further expansion/survival of the expanding universe" and "important to me as an individual""
"Erm, so that is your lens for this?"
"Yes, there are a lot of importances in between. But let`s agree that without this universe we`d be left with exactly nothing."
"Seems reasonable to assume that, yes."
"And without me, i`d be left with exactly nothing."
"In so far as you cherish the notion of the concept of you that your current mortal body affords you, then yes."
"The what?"
"You know what i mean. The body, and its sensory apparatus is limited. It`s capacity for comprehension of the mechanics of the system it is, and it is in is limited."
"Yes, but i do still not know what you mean...."
"I mean that you are in possession of an idea of your consciousness which to all extents is the best that we have to -rationally- offer. Your being is your body (including brain, etc), and its interactions with the "outside" of your body. Now at many levels of the mechanics of reality the illusory seperation of your body from the material reality it inhabits breaks down completely."
"Yes, but still, to be able to so vividly imagine this separation from the rest of the material world is quite something, isn`t it?"
"It is, but the point is. When does that construct start and stop to be illusory?"
"When I want it to!"
"I think you might have hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, you didn`t do it with a hammer..."
"But when does it stop being illusory?"
"I have, honestly, no idea, so your concept of "when i want it to" is as good as any, since you`ll be forced to lie abaut it anyways. (Probably)"
"We`re really not going to have much chance of landing ourself a gig as a philosopher-king with this one, are we?"
"No, but as you can see, pretending to be a conversation between two individuals has been pretty fruitful so far. Where do you want to stop? Maybe this conversation needs an illusory third party"
"Do i get to control when to engage these "illusory" third/first-parties?"
"Hahahahahaha. That brings back memories, deosn`t it..!"
"Se yes, the illusion of the individual is quite useful. And in many ways not an illusion. Presenting yourself with the illusion of two individuals is also useful. And then it becomes a matter of figuring out which illusions are useful to who."
"Which brings back the necessary first point about useful to the continued existence of a creating material reality"
"Yep, it is a useful way of looking at it. Besides, it`s an over-arching view of reality which you can liberally sprinkle with dead bodies and still feel good about it."
"That should`ve been unmentioned..."
"All i`m saying is that if you REALLY want a dogma that allows you to disregard the sanctity of absolutely everything then it is a dogma that contains the belief in deing work to ensure the continued survival of the capacity for creation in reality itself."
"Yeah. It makes good vs evil seem somewhat childish, i`ll grant you that."
"Back to what`s important."
"Yeah, i was distracted. We`ve established the existence of a universe containing the capacity for creation as of ultimate importance. Whether the maintenance of this capacity happens to expansion or contraction is of secondary importance, nad a comfortably creepy exploration in its own right, but i do not want to discuss that now. On the other hand we have the consciousness, or being, which currently inhabit the physical body of which i am, right now, at least the renter of."
"Yeah, it`ll totally try to kick you out if you don`t maintain it proporly or pay rent!"
"That wasn`t what i meant. I was trying to figure out absolutely everything which has to do with a factual relation to the workings of our brain and body as part of a greater system known to us as reality. And i still lack some of the basic tools in that line of inquiry."
"Which makes your failures all the more charming, no doubt."
"Unfortunately, yes doubt. But hey. Lets see here."
"On a certain level, the concept of individual breaks down completely. Actually, on very many levels. How should i relate to that?"
"Most poeple seem very comfortable not doing so, very often quite successfully as well."
"Oh great, are we going to fall down to the level of slanderous remarks about people we don`t know? In which case i`m inclined not to bother."
"Ok, it annoyed me too. Some people probably do, but the point should rather be that i haven`t the faintest clue as to how other human beings structure up their being/consciousness/structure. And i`v been wrung around enough weird happenings te knew there to be a near infinite supply of being-altering experiences."
"An infinite supply i think, but always bounded to the current point in time. So if you view it with time then it becomes as infinite as time, but at any one point in time it is finite."
"Unless time is an illusion!"
"There`s that guy again, who IS that?"
"I don`t know, but we end up next to him in time a lot, he seems to have fun."
"But how should i relate to the breakdown of the individual on so many levels of reality?"
"It`s your world, i don`t know."
"But that`s the point, it isn`t my world. It is "my" sensory apparatus and its attempt to interpret the myriad of signals existing in the structures of material reality. That hardly makes it my world. It makes it a world."
"Ok, so it`s your interpretation of a world."
"It`not even that, its an interpretation of a world. Loosely based on a myriad of experiences and expressions. To say its "mine" because i happen to hav all of these interpretations in my possession isn`t particularly true to me."
"You really want to get to the bottom of how his works, don`t you."
"Yes, and i`m way too lazy to actually build the tools required to get better at doing so, leading me to wade around here in the shallows. They`re likable shallows though."
"I`ve forgotten where we were. We have found out that our notion of the universe is limited, and that our notion of self is limited."
"And that language is difficult, and most of the time reflexively, rather that truthfully, interpreted."
"Yeah. Sucks to be the universe then, i guess. Not much you can do with things being so higgedy-piggeldy."
"Actually, that`s the groovy part though. The universe isn`t limited to understanding."
"Neither are we, when you look at it like that."
"Neither are we, but i understood that a long time ago."
"Ka-ching."
"So no, the universe isn`t limited to understanding. Understanding occasionally enhances its capacities though."
"Well, yes, interesting point. We`ve pretty much proven that by enhancing its capacities ourselves."
"Yay, go team us!"
Thursday, March 8, 2012
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